A bit of digging lands me 10 years ago, where you explained that that was added for backwards compatability at https://stackoverflow.com/a/3054165/381801
Thinking about the use case for that, is there eta expansion for constructors? On the one hand, I’d think so. On the other, Foo in call(Foo) becomes ambiguous in whether it means passing the term Foo, or passing the eta expanded constructor of the class Foo.
In current dotty, it’s the following:
class Creator(){}
def callit[A](f: () => A) = f()
callit(Creator _) //no: "Only function types can be followed by _ but the current expression has type"
callit(Creator) //no: "Not found: Creator"
callit(Creator(_)) //no: "Wrong number of parameters, expected: 0"
callit(() => Creator()) //yes
Should any of those no’s work? new makes it more obvious that you’re doing something other than just calling a method which makes it less surprising that the above no’s are no’s.
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I’m tentatively opposed, as I see the arguments of both sides as equal and negating one another, making the change a neutral net worth.
IMO, @jducoeur’s and @tarsa’s argument is the strongest argument in favor of the change – preventing developers from abusing case classes just because they provider new-less constructors.
On the other hand, I find @nafg’s and @morgen-peschke’s opposing arguments important as well – signal, not noise; blurring the distinction between regular and case classes; real work in constructors.
@Ichoran I am very much in the opinion that the new keyword has a purpose of reminding people of things they do need to be reminded about. Well, perhaps need is a strong word in this case, but I do think the keyword is not without significance.
new tells me that I am constructing a non-value class, that has non-trivial methods that my current unit is dependent on. In many cases, I would like to be able to mock this new class when testing my unit, and I can do this only if I inject said new class into my unit (via constructor or method argument).
This is more eloquently described by Miško Hevery (already referenced in this thread) in his general post on Writing Testable Code and the more specific one about How to Think About the “new” Operator with Respect to Unit Testing.
If I may, I’d like to add another idea into the pile. How about an additional keyword / annotation that will make the compiler automatically generate an apply method?
@Apply
class MyLovelyFoo(bar: Bar)
// or
apply class MyLovelyFoo(bar: Bar)
// or
class apply MyLovelyFoo(bar: Bar)
This could help prevent the abuse of case classes for the sake of new-less constructors for those who do not care for the distinction between the types of classes or the significance of the keyword, while still allowing class authors who care about these things keep the distinction and the explicit constructors.
It does not work for us, because we broadly use factories, so I can see more disadvantages with ‘new’.
I wonder whether it would be better to use abstract classes to prevent “apply generation”
Perhaps with effect tracking of references we can request that a value can only be assigned with a new reference, which would also help in overload resolution of constructors vs apply:
class Foo()
object Foo:
// here fresh implies that only a fresh value can be returned,
// so this is not recursive, however fresh variables can not be assigned to this result
fresh def apply(): Foo = Foo()
def cache(fresh x: Foo): Unit = ???
cache(Foo()) // calls constructor unambiguously
Here is a nice puzzler.
class Foo(block : => Unit = {println("A")}) {
println("B")
}
val justFoo = Foo {
println("C")
}
val newFoo = new Foo {
println("C")
}
What do you think? Does justFoo and newFoo print the same thing?
If you find yourself straining your brain, we have a problem.
Here is a scastie of what really happens: https://scastie.scala-lang.org/WcsEtJ3GT9mHOGqCvwAR8g
Good point.
For clarity and consistency, the second one should be new _ extends Foo { ... }. Then there’s no surprise.
(This is orthogonal to the creator applications issue; apply methods on the companion class create exactly the same illusion in 2.x.)
Yes, but that is an illusion created on purpose (well, usually). Here the compiler itself forces this illusion. So without any apply methods, there shouldn’t be any difference for a given class Foo between new Foo and Foo, but there is.
There shouldn’t be any difference either way. How confusing!
If you want to create an anonymous class, you should mean it. Having to rely on subtle cues like “oh, no parameter block” or something isn’t a great way to do it. It should just be clearly very different, like (as I suggested)
val thingy = new _ extends C { ... }
This issue wouldn’t exist if some inconsistencies with classes and constructors were fixed.
new Foo() { ... } instead.{} instead of (). With a constructor suddenly you’re defining an anonymous subclass instead.I agree we should have a clearer syntax for anonymous classes, but we want to get rid of new.
How about creating an anonymous class like this:
val a = (extends A){ ... }
Anonymous inner classes typically couples both instantiation and declaration, which is problematic because each evaluation yields a new identity in the same svope as its declaration. Interestingly enough we already have a mechanism for that. How about allowing the following:
val a = object { … } extends A(…)
I.e. anonymous objects.
You don’t even need any new constructs if you’re going to give it a name anyway.
object a extends A { ... }
The problem is that new A {...} is an expression—which makes is more versatile—whereas object a extends A {...} isn’t.
As you said yourself, new A { ... } gives you a new instance every time, but object is supposed to be a singleton, isn’t it?
A toplevel object is a singleton, same as a toplevel val val a = new {...} would be a singleton. You can define an object in a class or def which is not a real singleton.
This is not the case for anonymous JS classes un Scala.js. an invocation like
val o = new Foo {
var x = 5
}
where Foo <: js.Any will not create an independent class. It will create an instance of Foo (or its parent class if Foo is a trait) and patch x directly on the instance.
This is a very important use case for interoperability purposes in Scala.js, which can be fairly common in code interoperating with JavaScript. That use case has to stay convenient, and must not be confused with declaring a local object (which does create an independent class).
Having the unanchored extends looks really odd. Would something like this work?
val a = (_ extends A){ ... }